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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:46 am 
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It’s neat to see how things in the 1911 world have changed and evolved over the years. Better parts, better finishes, better work, and more… things have certainly progressed and I’ve always enjoyed seeing the advancement of the gun.

In a somewhat similar way I feel like I have progressed a bit too. As it was only 6 or possibly 7 short years ago when I would have scoffed (adamantly so) at the thought that I could enjoy a 9mm 1911, much less be considering the prospect of building my self one. All of the 1911s I own follow the tried and true format, each one being an all-steel full-size 45ACP Government Model. It’s been that way for as long as I can remember… but still I find myself with a better appreciation for a 9mm 1911 and even a desire to build one as a keeper and this gun has much to do with that.

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The owner of this gun has a good way of describing the ”why” of a 9mm 1911 or more specifically a 9mm Lightweight Commander. He says, ‘it’s not a gun you decide to carry, but rather you arrive at the decision to carry this gun’… and he’s got an interesting point. Having moved from a full-size all-steel 45ACP Government Model to a 9mm Hi-Power because of the weight savings and overall smaller dimensions, a Lightweight Commander makes easily as much sense. The caliber transition from the 45ACP Government Model to the 9mm Hi-Power was already a moot point… bullet technology is so good that the difference is between the calibers likely won’t matter when the shooter does his part.

Another factor that really help to swing the decision to a Lightweight Commander in 9mm was the overall carry-ability of the platform and the ease of carrying a healthy payload of spare ammo. Even in an all steel Government Model the 1911 is a relatively easy gun to carry due to its thin profile and balance. In its original format the gun is easy to conceal in a good IWB… making the gun lighter and a bit shorter at the muzzle helps allot of folks who tote around a gun 10+ hours a day.

For this particular shooter another big advantage over the Hi-Power came by way of the spare magazines. The Hi-Power magazine is somewhat ‘blocky’ and in most cases it’s complete with some fairly sharp baseplate corners that can play hell on shirts and car seats. The 1911 magazine, with its thin flat profile, is less intrusive to carry on a day-to-day basis and much easier to put two or three spares on one’s belt. What’s more is that the 1911 magazine is much easier to reload into the gun when compared to the Hi-Power. With its relatively small magazine well opening and the pronounced front corners on the magazine tube itself, precise alignment of the Hi-Power magazine is paramount before insertion into the gun. The 1911 is more forgiving here and, as the owner found, worth trading the 13 round magazine capacity of the Hi-Power for the slightly smaller 10 round capacity of the 9mm 1911.

After the thought and research on what gun the rest was sort of easy. The owner, who happens to be a shooting partner of mine, has some very specific details and preferences that make the gun easier for him to carry and shoot. Since he already knew what he liked and wanted in a 1911 it was the… ummm… ”simple” matter of me translating that onto steel and aluminum. Pictured here are the results… enjoy!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:53 am 
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Nice work; I like the matching texture on the trigger and bushing...


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:01 pm 
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Good stuff, Jason. I heart it!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:47 pm 
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Now I want a 9mm Commander! 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:06 pm 
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Simply stunning, JB. I can't imagine anything more fit to slide into a holster. I'm weak in the knees.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 8:47 pm 
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Photos that clear and close make it easy to spot flaws.... but th'ain't none! Dang that's a nice piece of work.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 3:42 am 
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There is so little left to say about your work, Jason. That commander is really amazing. The pictures really show your arrival to JEDI status. I must say, however, that Damascus Strider from Mick might be just as sexy. Great work all around, brother.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:15 pm 
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I am a HiPower fan, but always found the trigger a little odd, and had the impression that the bore axis was high- never could shoot a second shot well without a big safety to rest my thumb on. If I did that, needed a Beavertail welded on.

The 1911 gets rid of those issues, plus allows checkering of the front strap!
And, for those of us getting a bit crankier (I mean older), a 1911 lightweight in 45 can be hard on the wrists>

So, that's fantastic work!

thank you

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:46 am 
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Thank guys...

... a couple of details worth noting: the front strap, mainspring housing and mag-catch are hand-checkered at 40lpi. The finish on the frame is anodizing with the rest of the gun (save the Kart barrel, barrel bushing, and trigger) being finished in IonBond DLC.

The sight configuration is a very useful set-up and features a .100" wide front sight with a tritium insert mated to a .125" wide rear notch. We do allot of shooting at 25 yards and this set-up has proven both fast and precise with the .100" wide front sight obscuring very little of the target. I would happily have this same configuration on any pistol with the same sight radius.

And giving full credit where it's due, the exceptional photos are courtesy of my pal Brady at Monkey Edge.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:22 am 
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Jason - I reaaaaaalllllyyyyyyy like your Commander, dude! Lotsa cool features all over it to check out. I've also gotta comment on the photography - You've really taken your normal very good pictures and gone up a notch or two. Great job!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 9:00 am 
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Fair warning; the 1911 in 9mm is like the potato chip adage; one isn't enough.

And a 9mm LWC is like a perfect potato chip with a little sprinkling of [insert favorite seasoning here]


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 11:32 am 
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Exquisite!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:10 pm 
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I don't think a 9mm Commander could be more perfect than what you have done with this one.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Fair warning; the 1911 in 9mm is like the potato chip adage; one isn't enough.
Legend says one can even turn a 1911 hater into a 1911 lover...

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:01 pm 
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Looks amazing just like all of your builds, has me thinking of a commander sized 9mm sometime in the near future.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:46 am 
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I was glad to have Jason build that for me. Now that he's famous and stuff, I'm just glad he still talks to me :lol:

I would admit, that a commander held little appeal to me (much less in 9mm). This particular configuration is one that I arrived at by deduction. I am as much of a "a 1911 needs to be all steel, government length, and in .45" as the next guy. However, carrying one all day has done a number on my back as I get older. And I started kind of a search for an alternative that was not my beloved HiPower.

How about a LW commander? A lightweight commander is much easier to carry. But, a lightweight commander in .45 is not a gun that is optimal for high volume shooting and training in terms of being able to shoot fast. Meaning, I don't want to be doing a 2,000 rd plus class with one. Then, Rob Letham kind of turned me on to the 9mm 1911 and its virtues. Rob shoots them quite a bit depending on competition venue and probably has more 9mm rounds through 1911's than any other human. Jason had a 9mm in the shop and I ran a couple mags through it and almost giggled like a school girl. I have MANY rounds through HiPowers as they have been my carry and training guns for the past few years and they are nothing like shooting a 9mm 1911. The way the 1911 locks up, position in the hand, etc. make it seem like shooting a .22. With the trigger and ergos of the 1911 you can shoot ridiculously fast.

SO, with a LW commander in 9, you have a gun that is easy to carry/conceal (especially the extra ammo in single stack mags), SUPER easy to shoot well, AND with my standard carry loadout, I have 31 rounds on me. Sounds like a no-brainer to me. Not as "sexy" as the ol Government in .45, but super practical and effective.

There is no free lunch. There is no doubt that 9mm is a bit of compromise in reliability when compared to .45. The mags can be a bit finicky in terms of locking back etc. There is a higher awareness and maintenance level needed. However, I feel it is worth any additional time and effort.

So Jason and I bounced around ideas on the build and he worked his magic. I won't go into details as the pictures Jason made me take of my gun spell them out far better than I could.

When Jason FINALLY got my damn gun done - (if you guys think you have to wait a long time, just know that the "buddy list" is a much longer wait), we were at the range and the 'moment of truth' of finally being able to run some mags through her. I then giggled like a school girl again. Handed the gun to Jason so he could run it for some drills on steel. He giggled a bit and even Mr. "5 inch, steel, and .45" guy said "maybe I should build myself a 9mm"........ My mission was accomplished.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 2:44 pm 
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Thank guys...

... a couple of details worth noting: the front strap, mainspring housing and mag-catch are hand-checkered at 40lpi.
Whoa! 40 lpi!

Flawless.


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Great looking finish!


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:48 pm 
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Jason,
Outstanding as always !!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:17 pm 
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I would admit, that a commander held little appeal to me (much less in 9mm). This particular configuration is one that I arrived at by deduction. I am as much of a "a 1911 needs to be all steel, government length, and in .45" as the next guy. [snip] How about a LW commander? A lightweight commander is much easier to carry. But, a lightweight commander in .45 is not a gun that is optimal for high volume shooting and training in terms of being able to shoot fast. Meaning, I don't want to be doing a 2,000 rd plus class with one ...
I followed the preparation of your gun with some interest as I was having virtually the same piece built on Ted's bench at the same time; albeit in .45 ACP. Near twins, actually.

Can't say as I have any real experience with 9mm 1911s for much the same reasons that you highlighted, though I can see how the round may be especially well-suited to the LW platform. Ease-of-carry is certainly there with these LWs compared to the full-sized all-steel guns I was accustomed to, but that weight reduction does noticeably affect shooting characteristics in .45. You definitely need to be more deliberate about your grip, and the gun does move more in the hand -- no way around the physics of that with the obvious (and substantial) reduction in mass. All to be expected, of course, but it would stand to reason that this might be an area where the Nine shines, so the usual questions that might be asked about your logic for this build can probably can be shelved.

I'm not quite as concerned about the associated round-count issues, simply because I've other go-to 1911s for dedicated training and high-volume shooting, but given current pricing and availability on the ammo front, you probably made the right call there, too. Sometimes the less-obvious choice can indeed turn out to be the smart one; especially if you've already got a .45 Commander or two sitting in the bullpen. (I had long-since sold mine off.)

Not at all surprised that the gun exceeds expectations, but pretty pleased for you nonetheless. I discovered John R/5Shot's IBS (http://www.5shotleather.com/ibs.htm) collaboration with Jason at time of delivery, and find the combination to be pretty sublime for daily carry. Definitely a less-noticeable load as you go throughout your day.

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I just love this 9mm, awesome and congrats


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:54 pm 
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Truelly amazing. As you progressed from the government model, you and he others have also done a great job. I love the work you artists accomplished during my visit.


Thanks for helping me keep the mind occupied.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 09, 2013 3:58 pm 
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Hey Jason nice gun! Two questions for you:
1. What is the secret to making a 9mm 1911 reliable?
2. Being that it is a LW frame did you put in a steel feed ramp or do you think it's not needed?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:24 am 
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Awesome craftsmanship as expected! Can you describe the different trigger treatment/ finish?
Thanks


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