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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:17 am 
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If Armand Swenson were alive today, I’d have to imagine he’d be building guns like this one. I have enjoyed the opportunity to see a few of the “old school” makers’ guns in the recent past, and with the help of guys like Jason Burton, viewing detailed photos of these guns via the internet is another bonus. The one thing I’ve found from both handling such guns and looking at pictures, and this is by no means a shot at older builders, is the lack of well-executed details. These guys worked with what they had and both tools and base guns/aftermarket parts were in short supply. But, they still had class and “the look.” I bet Swenson would have a field day if he had the chance to go through a current Brownell’s catalog or order frames and slides from Caspian. He’d surely use Kart barrels on a regular basis and his checkering would be perfect with the newer files and fixtures available.

I got the idea for this gun about two years ago while looking at pictures of a Swenson on pistolsmith.com and was frustrated as could be when Jason Burton posted something about a retro gun from Ted in the works. I thought for certain that it would be a modern Swenson, but it turned out to be the “Modern Pachmayr Combat Special,” or something like that. I was relieved to say the least.

When I came to Dave and asked him about building this for me he gave me the strangest look and said nothing. I was going to build it on a Caspian frame and slide and use “scrap” parts to get it up and running. I’d even thought about having Dave weld up a Colt barrel and refit it just for authenticity’s sake. He laughed at that and said, “Use a Kart.” Then I saw it, the beat up test bed of an Ithaca slide. Dave had used an old Ithaca slide he’d had for ages as a test bed for his logos and engraving and it had about ten different logos on it, but none were very deep. Being a WWII era slide that had seen A LOT of use, I was full of pitting and deep machine marks as well. The front end cuts looked like they’d been done with a corncob, and the sides were far from flat and even. I asked if it was salvageable and he said, “It may be but I’m not salvaging it. Maybe that’d be a task for you.” So there was the challenge. I used a very crude method (guessing) of determining whether the rollmarks were deep enough to save after removing the etching and engraving. I surface ground both sides of the slide and was elated when all markings were gone except the rollmarks. I then used a single line file to try and get the cocking serrations smooth, even, and sharp. They had been cut with the same corncob and were a bit on the fugly side. When I was done, Dave saw that I’d stuck with it and said he build the gun for me and gave me a set of S&W sights to go with it. The rest of the work was his alone. A free slide and sights took a big chunk out of the bill, and some horse-trading got me the rest of the parts, including the frame.

Dave’s work on this gun was simply amazing. It is a totally smooth gun aside from his excellent checkering, and the installation of the forward mounted S&W sights is precise and rock solid. The gun is sprung for wadcutter ammo, but can be changed to shoot ball with a simple recoil spring swap. As are all of Dave’s guns, this is amazingly accurate, smooth, and reliable. The trigger is ridiculously crisp, and all parts are TIGHT. What else can I say? The details are in the pictures (I am no Steve Bailey).

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Hope you enjoyed it!

~Jim Keeney

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 5:24 am 
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PS - I'd like to have the lower hard chromed. If any of the 'smiths here have significant experience with a reliable and fairly speedy source, please PM me.

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PS - I'd like to have the lower hard chromed. If any of the 'smiths here have significant experience with a reliable and fairly speedy source, please PM me.

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I am not a smith but I have had good luck with Tripp Research and his turn around is usually a work week.

That is a very nice looking gun Jim. Next time I am in Virginia on business i'll have to look you guys up.

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That's a mighty fine blaster! Photos are good, too.

Can't wait to see it in person.

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Jim,

I think that if you keep it up you can give Steve a run for his money. Great job on the slide, too. Impressive. Congratulations on a noble blaster.

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Wow - you beat me to the punch!

I got to spend a couple of days in Armand Swenson's shop in '92 with a friend who had been a regular customer. It was an experience I'll never forget. Although his small shop was a little on the cluttered side, and there were guns and pieces of guns just about everywhere, he knew where every part belonged, and on which gun. I asked him how he kept it all straight in his head (because there was precious little paper around the place). His response was that "all that other stuff doesn't mean anything. Not yet." He pointed to the gun he was working on and said "This one is the only one I have to think about now. It's the most important one in the shop. When it's done, I'll think about another one."

I wasn't fortunate enough to have a Swenson gun "back in the day", but growing up in Arizona, and shooting at a club where a couple of upstart punk kids named Leatham and Enos were kicking butts everywhere, I always felt the need for a gun from one of our local masters. Frank Glenn and Guy Hammond were two of the prominent builders here in the Phoenix area. In '85, I wasn't yet doing much handgun work. Just rifles and shotguns, occasionally some revolver work. I traded into a Frank Glenn .38 Super built on a series 70 gov't, and fell in love with 1911's. So all this is Frank's fault. Well, most of it. 8) .

Anyways, I let that gun get away from me as my tastes changed, but I never forgot it. It was two-tone - electroless nickel under blue. 20 lpi checkered, SHARP!! Bomars, well fitted Colt barrel, etc. Heck you guys probably all had guns like that! :lol:

I've often wondered what it would have been like to have kept that one, but it's gone. I decided to recreate it in todays style, with today's components. I'll put up some pictures when I get it done.....

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Jim,
THAT IS GORGEOUS! I can't wait to see it. Remember, I live a lot closer than Chip! :lol:

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Jim,
That's a pretty cool blaster that you and Dave built! 8) I like what you did!

It reminds me of my first tricked out 1911 - a Jim Hoag Colt Commercial with S&W sights, squared trigger guard and a Blue over hard chrome finish.

Ted - I got lured away from the Hoag gun by a Guy Hammond pin gun! :shock:


I have a project under way that might be pretty cool when I'm done. A long-time customer sent me a "box of parts" that he found while cleaning out his safe. In it was most of a early 80's Wilson Combat built Combat Commander. It had been retired and cannabilized for parts after cracking the frame in three places and shooting itself so loose as to have functioning problems. I'm in the process of restoring it to working order, keeping all the early '80's styles and parts, but using state of the art craftsmanship. It'll be a fun old gun to drag out every once in a while and remember when........

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Jim –

That’s a gun you should be rightly proud to own. There’s a certain mystique and pleasure that is derived from retro guns and Mr. Sams did a good job of capturing those with this build. I’m glad my pictures and Swenson’s pistols could have played a part to inspire that guns creation.

And you’re right BTW... while Swenson had the will, the skill, and the know how to help revolutionize a fledgling custom pistol industry, the makers of today have taken cosmetic innovation and attention to detail to a level never seen during Armand’s heyday.

Oh and about that modern day “Swenson-esque” styled retro piece... that’s still a project at the forefront of my mind and I think I may have just got a bit more inspiration.

Good lookin’ gun Jim. 8)


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Now that's just neat.


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I have to echo what Jason Burton said. Dave does some spectacular work, and it is sure captured here. Great concept with great execution.
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What else can I say? The details are in the pictures (I am no Steve Bailey).
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Jim

Just got my Caspian back from Virgil at Tripp research does great work.

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Very nicely executed piece of work. I especially like the beavertail fit, and I have always liked S&W sights on a 1911 and High Power, regardless of their faults. I just have one question, and it may be obvious if I was more familiar with Mr. Swenson's work, but why a stainless safety?

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Nice piece, Jim. Cleanly done.

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Mossyrock,

Actually, the thumb safety isn't stainless. It's just that I really liked the look of this one and it turned a crappy color when blued... looked like an AFTEC extractor if you've ever seen one blued. It was spotty and orange. Since I'm having the lower hard chromed eventually, I decided to let it be and Dave beab blasted it for the time being. It could've easily been swapped for a Brown, McCormick, or any other, but I liked this style.

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That's a beautiful weapon, and an interesting thread!

We are privileged to have an outstanding gunsmith here in Tulsa who trained under Swenson, and also ran Swenson's shop for some time: Michael Bay.

He has almost no internet presence (http://www.frogmans45.com/).

He builds "custom carry" guns, NO comp guns.

He lets ignorant slobs like me watch him work.

He likes bar-sto barrels

He's building me a full-custom job (eventually) with Caspian frame and military-ordered Colt match grade slide (very hard and dense!)

He's one heck of a great guy.

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We are privileged to have an outstanding gunsmith here in Tulsa who trained under Swenson, and also ran Swenson's shop for some time: Michael Bay.
What years did he work under Swenson?


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I'll have to ask him.

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Mike says he was in the shop with Armand 86-87-ish, while recovering from injuries.

He also showed me the issue of "Guns & Ammo," March 1992 in 'Cooper's Corner'(p. 105) where Mrs. Swenson wrote that they were not taking any more orders, and referred all work to Michael Bay (at that time in San Diego).

Apparently it was my misunderstanding that he "ran Swenson's shop;" he took over Swenson's work from his own shop. My apologies for the inaccuracy.

Mike also said that Swenson used only Bar-Sto barrels as opposed to other specialty ones available.


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Nicely done Dave and Jim!

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Not to hijack the tread but baker are you the one that had the stainless colt commander for sale a couple of months ago? If you still have it can you post some pictures? I still would like to try to trade you out of it.

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Very nice gun I like the S&W sights on the 1911, had one built like that by EGW a few years ago. Had it hard chromed it too looks real cool. Please post pics after you get it two toned would love to see that, have thought about getting the slide on mine blued or at leasted blackened.

Real nice looking gun, good luck with it.

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That is drop dead gorgeous! Mr. Swenson lived near me, and he was one of the men I called for information back in the days when I wanted to be a 1911 smith. He was a VERY nice man, and more than willing to humor a young buck full of piss and vinager. Its great to see work that emulates his being done still. VERY VERY COOL!! 8)

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Dear Sir,

The older I get the more I appreciate the simple beauty of a uncluttered gun. This one makes a statement of quality without a lot of fancy doodads. Great story and great photos. I've salavaged a few "uglies" myself over the years. A lot of loving work produced a fine result.

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