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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:19 pm 
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Hello. Several weeks ago, I opted to build a long slide .45 ACP under the watchful eye of a close friend who had made a very fine 1911 via Dave Sample's On-Line 1911 class. I'd been most impressed with his pistol and that of his son, who'd also taken the course. I had seen and shot both of these pistols and had to have something similar.

I have fallen in "love" with long slide 1911 pistols since I tried an STI Trojan 9mm with a 6" barrel.

The Gun:

The frame and slide are from Caspian. I chose the cast frame as it cost less and I've had stellar results with a Colt/Caspian 5" gun that my gunsmith, Lou Williamson, did for me in the '80's.

I used Kart's EZ-Fit barrel. "EZ" is a relative term, but I can darned sure see how it would be easier than a "regular" oversized match barrel.

For my purposes, the range and for some hunting, I opted for the Bomar rear cut and the Novak front sight cut. Purely for looks, I went with the serrated flat on top of the slide. The frame was supplied with 20 LPI checkering per my request.

The flat mainspring housing from Ed Brown was also checkered 20 LPI. The hammer and sear are from Ed Brown as well. I flat don't remember who made the safety I wound up using as I'd owned it for quite a while. The trigger and disconnector are from McCormick. The 2-piece guide rod is from Brown and the stainless pins were from Caspian. The gun has a standard power mainspring and the recoil spring is 17-lb. The grip safety is an Ed Brown with hump and "memory grooves." The pins, hammer, slide stop, and thumb safety are stainless that I polished (for hours).

From the initial file stroke, through fitting the slide to the frame, and on to the finish was around 70+ hours. (I would starve to death as a gunsmith.)

Before the gun had a blue finish or even the sights applied, I test fired it. There were no stutters in firing or any malfunctions of any kind. However, it would not feed a Corbon 200-gr. JHP +P from a full 8-round magazine by hand. Downloaded by one, it would, but not off a full magazine. I experienced precisely the same thing today when trying to chamber a Speer 230-gr. Gold Dot from a full 8-rnd magazine. The same load fed fine from both a Novak and Colt 7-rnd magazine.

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Here's a view of the gun after it was blued. It has polished slide flats as well as on the top of the grip safety (on the "hammer side") and the area inside and outside the triggerguard. This took several hours by hand. The only place a dremel was used was to clean up the inside of the dust cover. The bushing was bright polished by hand as well.

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This is the polished area around and on the trigger guard.

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The complete gun...

Ammunition:

"Sweet Pea" has been used with several types of ammunition:

Handloads: 200-gr. Precision CSWC over 5.0-gr. Bullseye

200-gr. Hornady XTP over 7.2-gr. Unique

Factory Loads:

Sellier & Bellot 230-gr. FMJ
Winchester USA 230-gr. FMJ
Remington 185-gr. MC Flat Point
Corbon 200-gr. JHP +P
Winchester 230-gr. "Subsonic Deep Penetrator" JHP
Winchester 230-gr. Black Talon 230-gr. JHP
Winchester 230-gr. Ranger SXT JHP
Remington 230-gr. Golden Saber
Speer 230-gr. Gold Dot
Glaser 135-gr. Silver +P
Federal 230-gr. Hydrashok
Federal 230-gr. Classic JHP
Federal 185-gr. JHP

All total, approximately 600 rounds have now been fired through the gun.
There have been no failures to feed, extract, or eject. Cases are not dented during the ejection process.

I also used several different magazines today:

Colt 7-rnd
Novak 7-rnd
MecGar 7-rnd
Wilson 8-rnd
McCormick Powermag

All locked the slide open on the last shot. With all but the Gold Dot and the Corbon (using the old Speer "flying ashtray" JHP), they fed fine by hand when fully loaded.

It seemed that the Colt 7-rnd ran the smoothest followed by the McCormick. With ball, Golden Sabers, Federal 230's, and the SWC's I couldn't tell any difference in smooth operation.


Shooting:

This pistol is intended for accurate shooting. Therefore, it was fired in slow-fire only. Distances were 15, 25, and 50 yards. All groups were fired from a rest and in a seated position. The reason for this is to try and wring out all the pistol has to offer. I am sure that I didn't do that, but it was the best effort I could perform.

15 Yards:

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Each group consists of 5-shots and was fired from a rest.[/img]

25 Yards:

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The magazines used along with the handloaded 200-gr. Precision CSWC in firing this group. The flyers are my fault.

50 Yards:

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This was done with Winchester USA 230-gr. FMJ.

Observations:

Once again I have not seen evidence of the slide functioning slowly. Some have reported this when firing such versions of the 1911. This one operates fast as a 5" as far as my eye can tell and so does the STI 9mm.

Felt recoil is the same for me as with a 5" gun. I'd expected this to be a bit less due to the extra weight out at the end of the gun. Chronograph results show that the extra inch of barrel give roughly 50 ft/sec extra. Felt recoil is subjective to be sure but to me, I note no difference in recoil. There may be slightly less muzzle flip. In any event, it's not a problem.

This one's a keeper. Not only because of sentimental reasons and simply being proud of my first effort, but because it works; at least so far it does.

I intend to use it for the range and for hunting as mentioned above. Right now, I'll sight it in for the 200-gr. CSWC. For hunting, the rear sight will need to get about 2 clicks to the left. On this pistol I'm glad to have adjustable sights which have held true zero when set.

It is said that there can be but small difference between a hobby and an obsession. I now understand.

While I'm very pleased with this pistol and the way it performs, it is not perfect.

Maybe I can make the "perfect gun" next time....NOT! I don't think it exists.

This achievement most certainly does NOT make me a gunsmith in any sense of the word. It DOES make me appreciate and "see" more when I look at a 1911 that's been worked over.

Best.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:14 pm 
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Great work ! That reminds me of my lust for a long slide starting back in the "80's after seeing pictures of Jim Hoag's guns. Now you make me think about getting a 6" top end made up for one of my 1911s.
Thanks for sharing.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 7:36 pm 
Ya know, I LIKE your way of writing up guns. Well done!

Oh, and nice blaster too :)

--Mark


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:04 pm 
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Hello and thank you very much. I'm glad the post was of interest. I'm sure this gun cannot match that which could be done by masters, but it's pretty darned nice in my obviously biased view.

The main thing is that it's proving up to be reliable and accurate and should meet my perceived "needs". The main one is that I just wanted it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 8:37 pm 
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Stephen,

Congrats on a nice gun and another one of your famous test reports.

You do know that these reports and pictures get people in trouble. Because of you and one these reports, I bought a BHP several months ago.

Once again, very nice blaster.

Ray


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:01 pm 
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Stephen,
I have to agree with Ray, great report and work on the pistol. Your writing is now expected to be excellent. Nice work. Careful with the gun building as I said before. You will be building and not writing before long. :?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:46 pm 
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Stephen,

Not only did you put together a great looking pistol and write a great report, that is some fine shooting also.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:12 am 
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Congratulations Mr. Camp.
Great work on the gun and the story. I always enjoy seeing either of yours, as our tastes in guns and their mods are usually the same. It is, however, boring sometimes to not have anything to argue with as I read.

I especially like that radical, seldom seen finish on the gun.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 9:18 am 
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Hello all and thanks so much for the encouraging words. I've always been partial to wood and polished blue for range guns. That's what this one primarily will be. I also plan to shoot another deer with a .45 auto this year if the opportunity for another close, sure shot presents itself. For purely carry or hunting, I do go with the matte finish as being more practical. In this instance, I wanted to try and make it as pretty as I could...by my tastes.

I have truly gained more respect for the work done by professional gunsmiths as a result of this project.

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Hello Mr. Camp,
Well done in all respects, building, writing and shooting.
How long is your back log :wink: .
Tony

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 5:22 pm 
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Hello. Hahahahha! Back log!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:58 pm 
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Beautiful weapon Mr. Camp and as always your reports( not to mention your books) are always informative and a pleasure to read.
Thank You,
Gary

P.S. I have now started to collect and tinker with Hi Powers!


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 8:02 pm 
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Hello. There's a Hi Power apart on my bench right now!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:46 pm 
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Beautiful job, Stephen. You've made something wonderfully unique that should become a family heirloom.

You mention "...Dave Sample's On-Line 1911 class..." I can't for the life of me find this. Can you post a link for us gunsmith camp-followers (no pun inteneded) who have waaaaaaay too much time on our hands?

P.S. -- If I've never said it, thanks for all the great Hi-Power info and your extensive website.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:59 pm 
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Hello and thank you very much for the kind words.

Understand that I have NOT taken the class; I was provided guidance by two men who had taken it and had already completed one 1911 apiece besides the ones we built together. They, too, would quickly acknowledge not being real 'smiths. We just followed instructions VERY closely and went slow.

Here is a link to information on the on-line class:

http://www.captaineagle.us/class.html

If my life depended on it I could not do the work seen from most gunsmiths and would starve to death trying to make a living that way as slow as I am.

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